1999/3
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 11:21:52 -0400
From: Alfredo Villarroel <avillarr@IS.DAL.**>
Subject: Guru
To: INDOLOGY@LISTSERV.LIV.AC.UK
Dear List,
I hear my Sanskrit teacher once mentioned that guru is someone
without questions, in the sense that a guru have understood everything.
Does anyone knows a text where the concept of guru is so defined ?
Regards,
A. Villarroel
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 12:28:29 -0600
From: Shrisha Rao <shrao@IA.***>
Subject: Re: Guru
To: INDOLOGY@LISTSERV.LIV.AC.UK
On Tue, 9 Mar 1999, Alfredo Villarroel wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> I hear my Sanskrit teacher once mentioned that guru is someone
> without questions, in the sense that a guru have understood everything.
> Does anyone knows a text where the concept of guru is so defined ?
`asaMshayaH saMshayachchhid.h gururukto manIshhibhiH' -- one who does not
have a doubt [in himself/herself], and removes doubts [in others] is
considered a Guru. The complete statement quote from which this is drawn
(from the mahAbhArata-tAtparya-nirNaya), including the physical
characteristics of an ideal Guru, is as follows:
shhaNNavatyaN^gulo yastu nyagrodhaparimaNDalaH |
saptapAdashchaturhasto dvAtriMshallaxaNairyutaH ||
asaMshayaH saMshayachchhid.h gururukto manIshhibhiH ||
tasmAd.h brahmA gururmukhyaH sarveshhAmeva sarvadA |
anye.api svAtmano mukhyAH kramAd.h gurava IritAH ||
This is actually a quote from some Purana, but I don't know which or
where.
Regards,
Shrisha Rao
> A. Villarroel
(マイ註)
- ひとつめの引用文を aiba-nized するとこんな感じ。
asaṃśayaḥ saṃśayacchid gururukto manīṣibhiḥ //
疑いの無き方、疑いを断ち切られた方がグルであると言われる。
賢さ故に。
- で、ひとつめの引用文を含む、ふたつめの引用文については
. . . 後で気が向いたら!! (^o^;
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 10:56:44 -0800
From: Naseem Hines <sohail@U.WASHINGTON.***>
Subject: Re: Guru
To: INDOLOGY@LISTSERV.LIV.AC.UK
GururBrahma, gururaVisnu Gururdevo maheshwaro
GururSakshat param brahma, tasmai sri guruve namah.
(Please excuse improper transliteration but this is the Samskrta skija
that came to mind.
(マイ註)
- この引用文を aiba-nized するとこんな感じ。
(元の記事にあるように improper なのでアヤシイ^^;)
gururbrahmā gurur-a-vi.s.nu gururdevo maheśvaro /
gurursākṣāt paramabrahmā tasmai śrīgurave namaḥ //
グルは梵、グルは(非? a は余計では??)ヴィシュヌ、
グルは天、偉大なる主であられる。 /
グルは最上の梵に直面しておられる。その聖なるグルに帰命いたす。//
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 22:13:12 +0100
From: Jadranka Schauer <nimfa-promet@ZG.TEL.**>
Subject: Re: Guru
To: INDOLOGY@LISTSERV.LIV.AC.UK
These quotes are from the purports of His Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
Srila Prabhupada in Bhagavad-gita and Srimad-Bhagavatam:
If one is sincere he can find the guru and learn everything. One should
take lessons from the guru and find out the goal of life. Maharaja
Satyavrata, therefore, shows us the way of the mahajana. Mahajano yena
gatah sa panthah. One should surrender to the Supreme Personality of
Godhead (dasavatara) and learn from Him about the spiritual world and the
goal of life.
...
You must approach a person who is learned. You must find such a person, a
guru, and surrender to him. Then question him, and whatever answers you get
from him you must accept. That is the process for understanding God. You
must first find the guru; then you must satisfy him by service and by
surrendering unto him. The guru will explain everything. Krsna explains in
Bhagavad-gita (4.34):
tad viddhi pranipatena
partprasnena sevaya
upadeksyanti te jnanam
jnaninas attva-darsinah
"Just try to learn the truth by approaching a spiritual master.
Inquire from him submissively and render service unto him. The
self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you because he has seen the
truth."
...
The first process is that of surrender. We have to find an exalted person
and willingly surrender before him. The sastras enjoin that before we take
a guru we study him carefully to find out whether we can surrender to him.
We should not accept a guru suddenly, out of fanaticism. That is very
dangerous. The guru should also study the person who wants to become a
disciple to see if he is fit. That is the way a relationship is established
between the guru and disciple. Everything is provided, but we must take up
the process seriously. Then we can be trained to become a bona fide
disciple. First we must find a bona fide guru, establish our relationship
with him, and act accordingly. Then our life will be successful, for the
guru can enlighten the sincere disciple who is in darkness.
(c) 1991 by Bhaktivedanta Book Trust
Your servant, Yashoda devi dasi
Alfredo Villarroel wrote:
> Dear List,
>
> I hear my Sanskrit teacher once mentioned that guru is someone
> without questions, in the sense that a guru have understood everything.
> Does anyone knows a text where the concept of guru is so defined ?
>
> Regards,
>
> A. Villarroel
(マイ註)
- これは読みづらい (^_^;
とりあえず、この中にあげられているギーター(BhG) 4.34 を見てみる。
んとね、ここは Edgerton のテキストと上村訳(岩波文庫)を紹介しておきます
(手抜き。でも私の大雑把訳よりも信頼性が圧倒的に高い ^^;)
tad viddhi praṇipātene paripraśnena sevayā /
upadekṣyanti te jñānaṃ jñāninas tattvadarśinaḥ //
(すべての行為は残らず知識において完結する。) それを、
[師への]服従により、質問により、奉仕により知れ。
真理を見る知者たちは、あなたに知識を教示するであろう。
- ちなみに、上の引用文で出されている BhG の英訳を訳すと、こんな感じ:
一人のスピリチュアルマスターに接近することにより、真実を学習すべし。
かれ[の言葉]を従順に聞き、かれへの奉仕を示せ。
自己覚醒した魂のみが汝に知識を伝え得る。かれは真実を見るもの故に。
この最後、
"self-realized soul can impart knowledge unto you" というのは
個人的には「おお」という感じですね。一歩、踏み出してる感じ。
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 1999 20:19:26 -0800
From: unity5 <unity5@EMAIL.MSN.***>
Subject: Re: Guru
To: INDOLOGY@LISTSERV.LIV.AC.UK
There is a good description of the qualities of a Guru in the Guru Gita. It
is a portion of the Skanda Purana.
Brenda